Rachel Love Talks About Her Upcoming Reissues, New Band, and Learning from Grief and Loss

Rachel Love. Photo: Heather McClelland

You can’t leave the house these days without hearing some sloppy “A I” “music,” so having authentic music-makers like Rachel Love (solo, Railcard, Telecom, Dolly Mixture) has never been more urgently important. Her gentle touch when creating gorgeous pop music feels like an antidote to all the ugliness going on in the world.

She released two solo albums in the post-pandemic era that were woefully underheard and underappreciated, so it’s wonderful news that our old pals at Slumberland Records are reissuing both of them: Picture in Mind (2021) was co-produced with Rachel’s late husband, Steve Lovell (Blur, Julian Cope), who passed away the same year, and Lyra (2024), which is a tribute to Steve and was co-produced with their son David Lovell. Both are intimate, quiet and full of the sort of chemistry typically only witnessed among families.

Steve may be gone, but his spirit lives on in her music. “Losing Steve was a huge part of my need to be creative,” says Rachel, who was raised by classical violinist parents, and learned piano and cello growing up. “We were partners in every way.”

Rachel is definitely in a prolific era: In addition to these two albums, she is now in a band with Ian Button (Papernut Cambridge, The Penrose Web), Peter Momtchiloff (Heavenly, The Would-Be-Goods) and Allison Thomson called Railcard, whose first three EPs are collected and out now on Slumberland as well (a new album is coming later in 2026).

Gaylord Fields and I interviewed Rachel for chickfactor 19 (2022, on paper) but when Mike at Slumberland asked me to write a bio for the upcoming reissues, I interviewed her again and here is that interview. Interview by Gail O’Hara / photos courtesy of Rachel

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Rachel at the Strong Rooms in Shoreditch November ’25. Photo: Chris Fassoms

Where all have you lived? How long have you lived in Brighton?
I was born in Wales, my dad taught at Aberystwyth University music department. When I was 5 we relocated to Cambridge as he got a new job there. I lived in London on and off from the age of 17 until I had my first baby at 22 with Captain Sensible. We lived in Croydon with his parents until the summer of 1985 when we moved to Brighton. After 8 years we moved to the countryside just outside, Captain moved back to Brighton in 1998 but I stayed in the same area and have been here ever since.

What is the local music scene like in Brighton? Where do you go to see music or play gigs?
There’s a thriving music scene in Brighton, all kinds of music. Two of my sons are in bands that play a lot. My youngest son David’s band ‘Telecom’ are very much part of the Brighton scene, they also are my band when I play live. There’s some great venues, the Prince Albert, the Hope and Ruin, the green door store, Alphabet, the folklore rooms to name a few.

Dolly Mixture (from left: Hester, Debsey, Rachel), 1981

Can you please name all the bands you’ve been in?
Dolly Mixture 1978–84
Sex Love Buster Baby 1994–96
Fruit Machine 1996–1999
The purple pudding clause (Spelt) with Steve (recording only) 2013–2021
The light music company (recording only) With Martin Newell 2022–2023
Rachel Love (with my boys and their friends) 2022–the present
Railcard with Ian Button and Pete Momtchiloff – 2025–the present

Have you continuously played music or taken breaks through the years?
I have taken breaks from playing and recording when my children were small, but I’ve always loved going back to it and now that they can play with me it’s fantastic! I joined a couple if Brighton-based bands in the ’90s and that’s when I met my husband, Steve, who signed Fruit Machine to his production company. We got married and had a baby (David) so I had another break from music. Steve and I played a lot of acoustic music together over the years, we wrote for guitar and cello, then as home recording got easier we started making albums. We made 3 before Steve encouraged me to write songs again, giving me an iPad and showing me how to use GarageBand.

I see you as a bit of a Prince type, someone who plays everything and does it all. How much of Picture in Mind was you and how much input was from the family? How many years of work went into that album?
Haha! Not exactly Prince! I can play a few instruments well enough to record. I learned the Piano and Cello as a child, guitar was self taught. The boys are very good guitarists and bass players so they played a bit on Picture in Mind. My husband Steve was a great guitarist too so he played on the record and did all the drum programming. I added loads of cellos and played keyboards. After loosing my parents and my brother I needed to write on my own again, I think I started Picture in Mind in 2019 and we recorded most of it in Lockdown, so it probably took around about a year altogether.

When we interviewed you for CF19 in 2022, you had already written all the songs for Lyra. Again, tell us about the songwriting and the process for each album and what went into it.
Lyra took a lot longer, I had to learn how to use logic and record myself. My eldest son Fred set me up with a laptop and the other boys helped me learn the programme. David was very much involved with the production side of it and Syd and David played guitar and bass. David’s bandmate Chris also added a bass line on Alone. It was a real journey reflecting all the changes in my life and the amazing support from my family. A lot of the songs formed or grew while I was out walking  my dog. I certainly wrote most of the lyrics whilst out on country walks.

My friend Heather came round one day while I was recording ‘Alone.’ She was very close to Steve so it felt right that she should sing some backing vocals which really adds to the emotion.

It was a very strange feeling when it was finished, it was so personal. The healing process of creating it seemed to be as important as sharing it.

Grief has obviously been a big part of your story in recent years. How did losing Steve change your relationship to making music?
Losing Steve was a huge part of my need to be creative. We were partners in every way, parents, musical partners and we worked in different jobs together as well. The hole he left was immense, of course for the whole family but for me it was my everyday life that had gone. I had to create a whole new one which I was also resistant to because it meant moving on without him.

David was also going through the stages of grief so it was probably hard for him to hear my songs but I think it inspired his song writing as well.

It seemed a really natural thing to play music with the boys, something they had grown up with and also a connection we share.

I recorded myself mostly, David would get home from work (tired) and I’d ask for help with something, sometimes just to to listen to what I’d be doing. He was a great support even when I’d done 20 more tracks of cellos and 100 more backing vocals for him to sort out! I’ve learnt so much by doing the album that I don’t have to rely on him now.

Your top records list for CF22 included Air, Stereolab, VU, Sufjan—would you add anything else to the list? Were you a Broadcast fan? These artists seem to inform the music you make and the feelings you create for your own solo albums.
There’s so much music I could add to the list. I didn’t really know much about Broadcast until recently. David played me some and I absolutely love it, particularly ‘Come on let’s go’ and ‘Before we begin’

How did making music factor into your family, especially with your own kids? Was it just something you always did as a family?
We share a lot of music with each other and love similar band, we were listening a lot to bands while making the album like Metronomy, Gwenno, El Perro del Mar and the Left Banke to name a few.  We both love the Would-be-goods and Lightheaded, who we went to see together. We’re both going to see Stereolab next month too. I listen to music from all sorts of different genres, I just love a good tune.

How has it been working with Slumberland? Have you known Mike for a long time?
I met Mike at the CF30 gig in London 2022. He’s been so great to work with, nothing’s ever a problem and he just knows the right thing to do.

What tools and tricks do you use in the studio or wherever you make music?
I’ve learnt to keep things a bit more simple and use real instruments and analog sounds a lot more. We made the whole album with a laptop and a mic, the only bit of fancy equipment being a Joe Meek vocal D I box that was my husbands. A lot of studio trickery was used in the recording, we had no way to record drums so we used beats from a farfisa drum machine and sampled snippets of David’s previous recordings to make the beats.

We went through a process of stripping back the layers of tracks and then re-recording or rewriting parts. When we were finished they sounded completely different to how they started. We even made dance versions at one point! It’s hard to remember how we achieved some sounds as we went through so many versions.

Railcard: Ian, Rachel, Allison and Peter

Where do you write? Do you begin with lyrics or the other way round?
I’ve always written the music first, but since meeting Ian Button and forming Railcard, he mostly sends me lyrics and l’ve really enjoyed writing music to them, it’s a very different way of thinking but I love it. We’ve written together in other ways too, just going for walks and something will trigger an idea and maybe a couple of lyrics, then go home and the song will start to form music and lyrics together.

What has a life of music making taught you? There is a warmth and chemistry on these records that is really special and intimate. I’m so happy they’re getting reissued.
I’m quite an introvert so a life of music has taught me that I’m very privileged to be able to write music that people will listen to. It’s the way I connect with people best, it’s my way of expressing myself.

What kind of package will there be for the reissues? Formats? etc.
The albums will both be released on Vinyl and be available on CD as well.

Are there other albums coming together in the future? Tour plans?
Railcard will be releasing more music, we’ve written a lot of songs, Pete too,  we record when we can and do a lot at home too. We’ve got a few gigs lined up so hopefully we’ll play lots more. I’m still playing as Rachel Love with David’s band Telecom. Gigs aren’t that regular as the boys have a lot of other commitments but they want to go on playing with me as well. We are doing some gigs with them supporting too.

Feb 21 Railcard at the Water Rats, London supporting Would-Be-Goods and Helen McCookerybook
March 5 Rachel Love at Dublin Castle, Camden With the Groovy Arts club band and Telecom
April 5 Rachel Love at Wales Goes Pop
May 16 Rachel Love at Betsey Trotwood with Keiron Phelon and the peace and Telecom
August 7 Rachel Love at The Albert, Brighton With Exploding Flowers
August 8 Rachel Love at The Waiting room, Stoke Newington With Exploding Flowers
August 9 Railcard at The Betsey Trotwood With the Corner Laughers
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Railcard: Peter, Ian, Rachel

Lyra
originally released April 26, 2024
David Lovell – drums, bass and guitar
Syd Bor- bass and guitar
Chris Gibbons- bass on Alone
Heather McClelland – additional backing vocals on Alone
Co produced by Rachel and David Lovell
Mixed and Mastered by David Lovell
All songs by Rachel Love
Artwork & Design by Jodie Lowther
For Steve 

Picture in Mind
originally released October 29, 2021
All songs: Rachel Love except
‘Down The Line’ Bor/Smith/Wykes (Copyright Control/Copyright Control/Wardlaw Music)
All instruments Rachel Love (nee Bor)
Except: Syd Bor Bass ‘Down The Line’ & ‘Far Away’
David Lovell: Backing Vocals & Guitar ‘Primrose Hill’
Steve Lovell: Various Guitars, Instruments and Programming
Produced by: Rachel Love & Steve Lovell for Lovell The Dog Productions Mixed: Steve Lovell
Mastered: Steve Power
all rights reserved

Heavenly + Swansea Sound Share Their Best Coast Faves, Add West Coast Dates

We are here to inform you that—OH HELL YEAH!—legendary UK indiepop band Heavenly and indie supergroup Swansea Sound are coming to play shows in the USA! So we asked the band members to come up with lists of their favorite West Coast things and memories. (Photos courtesy of the bands)

Heavenly + Swansea Sound in NYC: 
May 31-June 1 in Brooklyn: shows are sold out
June 1: Heavenly daytime event

Swansea Sound East Coast: 
June 2: Queens, NYC, TransPecos
June 5: Washington DC, Quarry House Tavern
June 6: Providence, RI, Alchemy
June 7: Boston, MA, O’Brien’s
June 8: New York, NY, Knitting Factory
June 9: Philadelphia, PA, Johnny Brenda’s

Heavenly + Swansea Sound West Coast: 
Oct. 15: Seattle, Tractor Tavern (with Tullycraft)
Oct. 16: Portland, Mississippi Studios (with All Girl Summer Fun Band)
Oct. 18: San Francisco, Rickshaw Stop
Oct. 22-23: Los Angeles, Zebulon.

What Heavenly and Swansea Sound Love About the West Coast


Cathy Rogers (Heavenly, Marine Research, Gilroy)
1.
Driving through trees for hours and hours between Portland and SF or is it Oly and Portland? America does everything on a scale so big for us Brits
2. The Original Pantry in LA, my first experience of a cafe open 365 and 24/7, the door constantly swinging
3. The unbelievable smell of Gilroy. Everyone says oh you’ll smell it miles before you get there and you think they’re exaggerating then you smell that they’re not
4. Monterey aquarium and the whole feeling of Monterey and canning and those pummelling words
5. Swap meets in San Luis Obispo, getting up in the middle of the night to rummage around in other people’s drawers of kitchen utensils to find just the right shaped thing you don’t know what to do with
6. Lovely Olympia people. The indie punk memories of the US all centre around or connect in some way with Olympia
7. Snorkelling in kelp off Catalina island. A 90degree change in the angle of your head is all it takes to enter a parallel universe
8. Staying in an airstream by the river in Kernville. I co-owned an airstream when I lived in LA and went up to stay in it at weekends and float in giant tractor tyres down the river
9. Jumping kangaroo rats and cactuses in Joshua Tree National Park. Shame U2 appropriated its name.
10. Pie. The whole west coast. And east coast, and middle. Whole shops, whole restaurants, whole lives committed to pie.

Amelia and Hue, image courtesy of the artists

Hue Williams (Swansea Sound, the Pooh Sticks)
1. City Lights bookstore
2. Meeting Johnny Guitar Watson the first time I visited LA who invited me to swim in his guitar shaped pool
3. Sky Saxon and the Seeds
4. The Griffith Observatory
5. Meeting Brian May at Universal Studios
6. San Francisco 49ers
7. Arthur Lee and Love
8. Linda Perhacs
9. Attending the world premiere of the Beavis and Butthead movie at the Chinese theatre and the aftershow party with Tarantino where Issac Hayes was the star guest
10. The Six Million Dollar Man

Photograph by Yvonne Chen

Amelia Fletcher (Heavenly, Swansea Sound, the Catenary Wires, Marine Research, Tender Trap, Talulah Gosh, Skep Wax Records)
1. Olympia: Our US home from home.
2. Riot grrrl: A global phenomenon but Olympia was where it started and also where we first discovered it. Heavenly weren’t exactly a riot grrrl band, but it had a big influence on us.
3. Heavenly’s show with Tiger Trap in Sacramento: One of my all time favourite shows. I seem to remember it was in someone’s basement without their parents’ knowing. Tiger Trap were on roller skates. It was everything a show should be.
4. The competition between K Records and Kill Rock Stars to be the best label in Olympia/the world at that time. They both won.
5. Slumberland Records: So good for such a prolonged period. Current faves include The Umbrellas and Lightheaded.
6. Gidget: Both the book and the film. I have no idea why I love this, as I have zero interest in surfing; it just got to me.
7. The long-time liberal attitudes to sexuality and gender on the West Coast. Yep, had to say it. Important.
8. Silicon Valley: For giving Swansea Sound so much lyrical source material.
9. The Aislers Set: Such an amazing way with a tune. Linton = ❤️.
10. Beat Happening: The music I want played at my funeral. The music we did play at my brother’s.

Ian recording with Thrashing Doves at Rumbo Recorders in LA ‘86

Ian Button (Heavenly, Swansea Sound, Death In Vegas)
1. Little Richard winding down his limo window to say hello in the car park of the Hyatt.
2. Anthony Perkins stepping out of the lift at The Hollywood Roosevelt.
3. Seeing The Replacements at Santa Barbara ’87.
4. Waking up from an earth tremor.
5. A strawberry next to your eggs and bacon.
6. “What are grits, please?” “You English? You won’t like ’em!”
7. Death In Vegas @ Bimbos 365 SF ’97.
8. Surplus store near Ripley’s Odditorium – proper raw denim Levi’s
9. Hearing Todd R. ‘Hello It’s Me’ for the first time, on the radio, driving along Sunset Blvd., top down.
10. Hot apple cider in Seattle in November.

Peter in the Capitol Theatre, Olympia

Peter Momtchiloff (Heavenly, the Would-Be-Goods, Tufthunter, Marine Research, Talulah Gosh, many more)
North to South:
1. Sylvia Hotel, Stanley Park, Vancouver
2. Bellingham summer philosophy conference
3. Anacortes IPA
4. Roasted Olympia oysters
5. All Freakin’ Night at Olympia film fest
6. Olympia pet parade
7. The decor at the Brotherhood Lounge, Oly
8. Dumpster Values, Oly
9. Sprung dance floor at the Crystal Ballroom, Portland
10. Chez Panisse
11. Hummingbirds in Golden Gate Park
12. Midnight tour of historic downtown LA

Rob and Calvin (“P.U.N.K. Girl” video shoot)

Rob Pursey (Heavenly, Swansea Sound, The Catenary Wires, Skep Wax Records, Talulah Gosh, Marine Research)
1. Filming a video for “P.U.N.K. Girl” in the Capitol Theatre, Olympia
2. ‘Would you like that covered and smothered?’
3. Cinnamon-scented garbage
4. ‘That sounded totally SWEDISH’ (San Diego promoter, of our soundcheck, approvingly)
5. Vaginal Davis hosting the Marine Research show in LA
6. Tiger Trap
7. Hanging with Candice and Calvin at K Records HQ
8. Visiting Kill Rock Stars HQ, just down the street from K. (I just realised that this list is very Olympia-centric)
9. The Microphones
10. Driving for 8 hours and nothing happening

Swansea Sound (Bob in center)

Bob Collins (Swansea Sound, the Treasures of Mexico, the Dentists)
1. Monterey Pop
2. Herb Alpert’s Tijuana Brass
3. Laurel and Hardy driving in LA with a record player under the hood
4. Ray Manzarek’s almost certainly made-up story about meeting Jim Morrison on Venice Beach and forming the Doors
5. The geographical absurdity of Point Roberts
6. The fact that the members of Love all lived in a house called The Castle.
7. The day that Roger McGuinn, David Crosby and Gene Clark went to the movies in LA to see A Hard Day’s Night
8. Mulholland Drive

READ: Hue and Amelia Interview Each Other (Swansea Sound)
READ: Heavenly in the USA 
READ: The Catenary Wires Interview
READ: Our All Girl Summer Fun Band Interview

LA show is October 23, 2024!!!
From the archive
Eddie Vedder and Cathy Heavenly (she didn’t know who he was!)
“P.U.N.K. Girl” video shoot
Cathy watching Lois in San Jose

Swansea Sound: Hue and Amelia Interview Each Other

Amelia and Hue, image courtesy of the artists

When Pam Berry and I started chickfactor zine in 1992, you can be damn sure we were listening to both Heavenly and the Pooh Sticks. We interviewed Heavenly for CF2 (Amelia Fletcher is on the cover with Bridget Cross from Unrest), but we never got to interview Hue Pooh, though we do remember a memorable show at Maxwell’s in 1992 or 1993. During pandemic lockdown times, Rob Pursey wrote some songs that were too punky for the Catenary Wires, so he and Amelia thought of Hue for a collaboration. So Swansea Sound was born—featuring Hue, Amelia, Rob (Skep Wax Records, The Catenary Wires), Bob Collins (the Dentists, the Treasures of Mexico), and Ian Button (who plays in too many bands to list)—and they’re about to release a fab new album, Twentieth Century (out Sept. 8), and go on tour (see dates down below). They need no introduction to you, reader, but we figured it would be fun to have Hue and Amelia interview each other after all this time! This is their conversation. Swansea Sound artwork by Catrin Saran James and Jon Safari.

Swansea Sound, image courtesy of the artists

 Hue: What was the first song / record you can remember hearing, Amelia?
Amelia:
 I have no idea, but I do remember the first time I took a real interest. My parents had the Sgt. Pepper album and the sleeve had all the lyrics on it. I remember diligently learning all the words. I think I was 7. I more or less still know them all.
How about you? And when did you first decide you wanted to make music yourself?
Hue: Mine is Beatles as well. Ob-la-di, ob-la-da. Though it wasn’t a single in the U.K. so I reckon I’m remembering the version by Marmalade which was a No 1.
Although that was ’68 and I would’ve been three so whether or not this is a half-remembered memory or accurate I’m not quite sure.
I was in a band of sorts when I was 8 but I’m not sure if what we were doing was music. I played a pink glitter guitar which is impressive considering I can’t play guitar in the 21st century. We didn’t have a name though I have retrospectively named us the Swansea Bay City Rollers.

Eithne, Amelia and Elizabeth (Talulah Gosh), image courtesy of the artists

Can you remember what was the first song you wrote and were you already in a band?
Amelia: The first song I wrote was called “Tissue Smiles”.  I have no idea why! It had pretty terrible words, but a decent tune.
It was for my first band, which was called Splatter Babies. We were in sixth-form and practised in our drummer’s parents’ front room. Adam Franklin (latterly in Swervedriver) was the guitarist, and wrote most of the songs. At that point, I presume he thought it would be good to have a girl singer. Being in a band with me for a year obviously changed his mind!
Hue: Ah splendid. I think I’ve seen a picture of you in Splatter Babies but not heard anything. We could / should cover ‘Tissue smiles’ if we get to that difficult third album with Swansea Sound!

Amelia: How did the idea for The Pooh Sticks come about, and what was the first Pooh Sticks song?
Hue: The idea of the Pooh Sticks initially was just very much an idea. I came up with the name and the concept  of forming ‘the ultimate ‘wimpy’ band’. I was stuck on Temple Meads train station in Bristol overnight with Steve from Fierce Records as we’d missed the last train to Swansea after a Primal Scream gig (jingle jangle version).
We then wrote ‘On Tape’ together with me coming up with the punchline and some other lyrics. Steve did the rest and we literally recorded it line by line as it was written. That was quickly followed by ‘Indie pop ain’t noise pollution‘ and ‘I know someone who knows someone who knows Alan McGee quite well‘.

Heavenly

Was Splatter Babies your only band before Talulah Gosh? How did TG get together and how quickly did the first songs and shows come about? Was the first gig in Oxford?
Amelia: That was the only band before Talulah Gosh. (Other than “The Peedles”, the Beatles covers band I attempted to create with a couple of school friends when I was 7!)
Hue: Ah so you were in a band at the same time as me doing the Swansea Bay City Rollers. The Peedles? I would buy a T shirt if you make one.
Amelia: Not sure how big a market there would be for that one! Talulah Gosh came together remarkably quickly. The guitarist and drummer part was easy – I asked my boyfriend Pete and my brother Mathew. I met Elizabeth at a gig in November ’85 and invited her to join the band on the basis of her wearing a Pastels badge We then found Rob to play bass – he was auditioned not on the basis of his playing but the records he had on his wall!
And we played our first gig by March ’86. Just four months after meeting Elizabeth. We had already written some of our most well-known songs by the time of that show!

Hue: So Rob did play live and was in the very first incarnation of Talulah Gosh? Before he left to join an Italian prog rock band for a tour of Sweden?
Amelia:
Yep, I think Rob left TG on the basis that we were all a little annoying to be with at that point. He relented later! (I think).
Why on earth did you think of asking me to join The Pooh Sticks?
Hue: A few reasons I guess.
We had been offered a Peel Session and felt that Steve Fierce singing parts a bit out of his comfort zone couldn’t last. We could see you found it hard to say no to an indie band when they came calling, so we thought it was worth a 5p coin in the local phone box. You did reply ‘aren’t you the band that take the piss out of indie’! We actually liked many of the C86 era bands, particularly the melodic ones as we were pop fans ostensibly. I had seen you play in Port Talbot in Dec ’87 I think, which was near the end of TG. The session was maybe the April of ’88 so we figured you had some spare hours. You were a good sport. But I can’t imagine either of us thought we’d be still singing / shouting at each other 35 years on.

The Pooh Sticks

The Gosh seemed to attract a whole bunch of press. Some gushing, some less pleasant. What’s the most memorable for you? Good and bad?
Amelia: I think the most extreme press we got was actually in TG. On the plus side, we managed to get a whole page on page 3 of NME when we’d barely started. A rave from the Legend!, headlined “Do you remember fun? Talulah Gosh do!”
Hue: Yes, I remember that article by Jerry Legend I think.
Amelia: On the negative side, our very last press interview was also in NME but this time with Steven Wells. It was a big piece but he was totally horrible about us! He also referred to us as Aryan, which was pretty insensitive given I’m half-Jewish and huge numbers of my grandparents’ relatives died in the holocaust. The allegation seemed to be purely based on us having short bleached hair!
Hue: I know Steven Wells isn’t about any more to defend himself but he was a showboating writer and that doesn’t read well now at all does it? I met him a few years later as he made a video for a band I was managing. He found out I was from the Pooh Sticks and I got the distinct impression he didn’t like us. The video he made was totally rubbish by the way.
Amelia: We also got 1 out of 10 in NME for the second Heavenly album from guest reviewers Shampoo. But to be honest we were quite amused by that.
Hue: Ha! Shampoo supported the Pooh Sticks once at the Garage in Highbury as they signed their mega record deal. This was around the time that every band who supported the Pooh Sticks seemed to be become very successful overnight like Pulp, the Cranberries, David Gray, etc!

The Pooh Sticks with Amelia, image courtesy of the artists

Amelia: The Pooh Sticks had a good run. But I know you were actually up for trying to be famous (in a way that Heavenly never really had been). Were you ever pushed by your record label to do anything you were uncomfortable with? And how do you think you would have handled REAL fame?
Hue: I’m not sure that I was trying to be famous at all, it’s just that I didn’t have anything better to do when a major label came calling. I was working as a tennis coach at the time which I kinda enjoyed, but the chance of doing music full-time for a while seemed to make sense.
I did think signing to a major at that time would be the beginning of the end unless we sold records which we obviously didn’t, but we felt the songs we had needed more time in the studio and that this was the only way to do that. That possibly wasn’t true.
The label wanted us on the road playing lots of shows though. Up until that point we’d only ever played a handful of shows, so that became a bit of a slog pretty quickly. I’d had enough by the time we did a (successful) tour of Japan and decided I didn’t want to be in the Pooh Sticks anymore. I did return to be on Optimistic Fool (our last LP) as long as I didn’t have to tour. I had started to manage a band and work as an A&R at that point so was a busy bod.
Real fame wasn’t going to visit us, but I think it looks like hard work. I’ve got a few friends who became ‘famous’ like Catatonia, Super Furries or even the actor Rhys Ifans and it looks like hard work to me!
Amelia: Yep, I agree. Fame does looks like hard work. Stressful too! Fortunately, we got even less close than The Pooh Sticks!

Swansea Sound

Hue: You’ve never really stopped making music whereas I’ve had plenty of time away from it. Which parts do you enjoy the most? Writing? Recording? Touring? Doing fanzine interviews?!
Amelia: Fanzine interviews of course! Especially for Chickfactor, obviously!
But actually I probably like playing shows the most, although maybe because we’ve never done so many that they feel like a slog! For me, it isn’t necessarily the touring so much (although that can be good fun too) but the actually performing on stage. I’d like to say I just really like singing but it is probably just that I am an attention sponge!
I always enjoyed playing with The Pooh Sticks too—even if I quite often messed things up! Like that gig when I clean forgot I was supposed to be writing across your chest in lipstick and you were just standing there waiting with your torso exposed. Sorry again about that! I’m useless at rock antics!!
Hue: You often mention the lipstick on torso thing as if I was hanging around for ten mins!  I remember it all going smoothly and there’s photographic evidence to prove it happened. I think what you wrote on me was ‘Hearthrob’! We were playing with Ween in New York and in the pic we were packing a massive stack of Marshall amps. The one and only time that happened I think.
Amelia: ‘Hearthrob!’ That’s funny. I bet I spent at least some of the time onstage wondering if there should be one or two “t”s in Hearthrob. That’s how rock n roll I ever was!
Hue: I certainly wouldn’t get my top off onstage this days. Though there’d be plenty more space to scrawl on!

The Pooh Sticks with Amelia, image courtesy of the artists

What is your favourite song from the many you’ve written and which do you think is the best if it’s not the same one?
Amelia: Hmm. I think “P.U.N.K. Girl” is probably the best—mainly because it strikes a nerve but is not like anything else! But I think my favourite song might be “Memorabilia” by Tender Trap.
Partly because it was based on a silly song I invented to sing the kids when they were babies (I sang it while doing baby yoga on them to get rid of their wind!). Partly because it ended up being about memories of my brother. And partly because it’s just a good song.
So Iet’s move forward to Swansea Sound. I have very vivid memories of sending you that first song in Lockdown (“Angry Girl”), and then trying to figure out how to mix in the vocal you recorded in your kitchen on your phone! I’m still amazed at how well that worked!

Amelia playing in Splatter Babies. Photo: Vicky Bowman

But did you think at that stage that it would more than a couple of silly songs? When did you realise it could be something bigger?
Hue: You had mentioned for a little while that Rob had a song that he thought was Pooh Sticky. I’d had some friends previously send me songs but it never went anywhere or felt right. At one point I think I even talked with Liz from The School about writing some songs, but when “Angry Girl” landed it was a good time in the sense that is was in the early days of the first lockdown so I had plenty of time.
It was an odd time as I was, if not exactly shielding, very much living solo, as I have quite bad asthma and have been hospitalised a few times with attacks. So I was living rurally in a village at the time, like you do, not knowing how it was all going to pan out.
I didn’t really think “Angry Girl” sounded like it would suit me necessarily, but I could hear it probably wasn’t a Catenary Wires song! Took me a while to figure out how to listen to the track on one phone and then sing/shout into my other one. I tried a couple of rooms in the house but ended up on my knees in the kitchen.
I listened back and it sounded horrible! I sent it not knowing how you could knock it into shape, but when you did ping it back I was amazed. It sounded so fully formed.
I guess I wasn’t sure what would happen next but I think Rob then sent ‘Corporate Indie Band’ and we immediately thought we should put it out even if it was low key and very limited.
I only realised it could be something bigger when Gideon Coe played it with much enthusiasm and Rob kept writing new songs almost to order. Then the first show we did at the Preston festival worked surprisingly well.
‘Live at the Rum Puncheon’ is a pretty remarkable LP considering how it was recorded. It also set things nicely for a follow up to sound like a step up simply by the fact we were actually in the same room together this time.

Talulah Gosh, image courtesy of the artists

Amelia: Is there a plan for world domination, and if so, what’s the next step?
Hue: World domination? We’ll keep socking it the squares and straights across as many continents as we can in the short to medium term. Really looking forward to playing the U.K. shows plus in Europe and obviously going back to Japan and then hopefully the States. I just hope my dodgy hip holds out!
You’ve made/edited a few of the videos for Swansea Sound which has impressed me. Is music your only form of creativity or do you/would you write or paint?
Amelia: I’ve enjoyed making the videos. Rob and I tend to come up with the ideas and then I edit them. We did the last few Catenary Wires ones too, and a recent new video for “C Is the Heavenly Option” by Heavenly.
I think video-making is the kind of art form that suits me as it requires lots of patience and technical ability and then just a good creative idea or two. I’d love to be good at proper art or writing but I’m honestly useless at both! It is constantly galling to me. But I’m also constantly impressed by people who are good at either!

Rob and Amelia in the Heavenly era, image courtesy of the artists

What are you most excited about for the coming year? Here’s mine. Getting to play in the US and Japan again! How about you?
Hue: Yes I’m very much looking forward to going back to Japan. I’ve been twice before once with the Pooh Sticks in ’93 which was so great I left the band for a while as I thought it would all be downhill from there. I did return for another LP but never played live again until reforming in 2010. I also went in ’96 with a band I was managing which was a very intense trip. We’d been to New Orleans and then LA for shows on the way so it’s only the time I’ve kinda circumnavigated the world.

Swansea Sound

The bass player didn’t sleep for four days and had an ‘episode’ at Tokyo airport with some armed guards so we had to miss the flight bless him. He wasn’t in a good way and insisted on being on a flight where he could smoke which wasn’t easy in ’96. We finally got a flight with chain smoke-loving Air France and he returned to Wales in a fug of fags and free champagne.
I’m also excited about hopefully just being alive for another year as I’ve lost two friends suddenly in the last week.
The lovely Michel Van de Woude who you obviously knew as well as the guitarist on three of the Pooh Sticks albums. Michel indeed did play hot licks and was in our line up at Reading festival when we were the best of all indie bands. I will miss him.
Amelia: Yes, that was really sad news.
Hue: Also my mate Tim passed very suddenly this week and was only 53. He was a gig buddy but also came to our shows. Very sad about that.
That puts everything into (a Spinal Tap) perspective.
So let’s indiepop (or rock) til we drop and enjoy what we have.
Amelia: Cheers to that! CF

Swansea Sound dates
Sept. 8: Twentieth Century Listening Party
Sept. 9: LIVE album launch at Rough Trade East
Sept. 14: Manchester, The Talleyrand
Sept. 15: Cardiff, Moon Club
Sept. 16: Carmarthen, Cwrw
Sept. 17: Bristol, Rough Trade (FREE)
Sept. 27: BBC6Music Riley/Coe studio session.
Sept. 29: St Leonards, The Piper
Sept. 30: Paris, Popfest
Oct. 13: Leeds, Wharf Chambers
Oct. 14: Newcastle-On-Tyne, Cumberland Arms
Oct. 27: Brighton/Hove, The Brunswick
Oct. 28: London, The Water Rats

Read our Heavenly piece from last year and our Catenary Wires interview from a few years ago!